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Oh man, I've been reading a lot of SF lately, and Hyperion is one I actually had assigned in high school for a sci-fi English class (it was that teacher's last year at my school, so they finally let him teach it). I think you're pretty dead-on, as I recall (and from overhearing snippets of the audiobook when my wife was listening to it).

But have you read Ilium and Olympios? More Simmons, more space opera, more literary allusions, so many literary allusions. Aaaaaaaand some pretty heavy-handed, ugly Zionism. The Voynix, for example: huge, servile insectoids who we later find out were developed by some global caliphate of the future past; who attack Jerusalem when our heroes are there, repeatedly buzzing "KILL THE JEW;" who later beseige our heroes' tiny settlement, attacking them by...yup, that's right, THROWING ROCKS.

When I read these in 2008 or 9, I didn't put all of that together. But when I started paying actual attention to Israel, and heard "rock-throwing" as the magic justification for use of force, I recall the feeling I had of "SIMMONS YOU MOTHERFUCKER" I had when the penny finally dropped.

Other than that they're pretty fun, though.

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re: Kevin Kelly

How much was he influenced by Whole Earth Catalog and related projects (The Well)? I didn't know he was an evangelical, but why does that matter? The Great Awakening in the 1800s was pretty utopian, no?

(The counterculture techies like Stewart Brand were more "libertarian" than statist-left.)

I've seen discussions by anarchists about communism-socialism, there is apparently at least theoretically a form of anti-state anarchism that is voluntarist or something like that that would technically be communist/socialist, but typically on a small scale.

I don't see any evidence that "capitalism" as part of "classical liberalism" and as it first evolved in medieval culture and under manorialism was ever distinct from high-social-trust "national" [secular] institutions that most people now think of as part of "government" (Charter Towns/Free Cities, the Hansa, universities, parliamentary politics, fueros, communas and cortes in medieval Spain), or dependent on Constitutional order and formal courts of law (insurance companies, sea faring investment corporations).

"Leftism" seems more like a romanticist (anti-modernist) attempt at reinventing mythic religion than a serious theory of social order or governance.

The earliest forms of classical/medieval liberalism included things like the Abbeys in Cluny advocating for peasants rights (1300s?) at a time that the Church had massive land holdings.*

After 1492, when imperial power was recentralized by colonilast states, the classically liberal reforms of previous centuries that emerged in more decentralized political conditions, were swept aside by the imperialists, so there is nothing inherently evil about liberalism that makes it necessarily imperialist (as leftists apparently think).

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* as per this paleo-libertarian: https://phillysoc.org/liggio-the-hispanic-tradition-of-liberty/

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